Αmd Fusion APUs / Llano

Portioli

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Απάντηση: Re: Απάντηση: Αmd Fusion APUs / Llano

χωρίς hdmi

Με ειδικούς αντάπτορες μπορείς να Πάρεις ήχο και από το DVI.
HIS HHDMI4071 ATI Radeon HD 6000 5000 4000 3000 Dual Link DVI-D to HDMI Adapter
ATi Radeon DVI to HDMI with Audio Adapter
HDMI Female to DVI-D Male for Gateway HIS HP 4xxx 5xxx


ασχετο, αλλά το αν έχει μια μητρική hdmi δεν είναι θέμα chipset, είναι θέμα του κατασκευαστή της μητρικής.

Φυσικά κι υπάρχουν μητρικές με HDMI και Α55.
Στις gigabyte ειναι όσες έχουν H στο τέλος πχ: GA-A55M-S2HP (rev. 1.1)(Link)


H αλήθεια πάντως είναι ότι για 10 ευρώ παραπάνω θα προτιμούσα μία Asrock
με Α75, η κάποια πιο φθηνή M-ITX από την Αsus.
Έχουν έρθει πολύ λίγες μητρικές Ελλάδα.
 

simacom

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Για βοηθηστε. Τωρα που εστησα το NAS θελω να ξαναφτιαξω ενα HTPC για XBMC.
Που εχουμε μεινει? Liano or Ι3 2χχχ?
Επισης ριξτε και κανα λινκ με προτεινομενα!

P.S. γενικα θελω δυνατο επεξεργαστη!

P.S. 2 Ξερω οτι τα θελω ολα ετοιμα αλλα επειδη ειστε ολοι πολυ καλα παιδια θα μου τα δωσετε :)
 

lykman

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Εξαρτάται από το πόσα θες να διαθέσεις, και τι συμβιβασμούς είσαι διατεθειμένος να κάνεις...
 

simacom

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περιπου 300 χωρις κουτι.
Θα ηθελα να μπορουσα να κανω χρηση F.I. πχ SVP project.
 

Portioli

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Απάντηση: Re: Αmd Fusion APUs / Llano

περιπου 300 χωρις κουτι.
Θα ηθελα να μπορουσα να κανω χρηση F.I. πχ SVP project.

Frame Interpolation με SVP kit 1080p23-->1080p60
απο 6πηρυνο phenom ή i5 2xxx μπορείς να το σκέφτεσαι
με Llano απλά το ξεχνάς....


αμα θες για απλή αναπαραγωγή 1080p23, 1080i50, 1080i60, BluRay 3D:

CPU:A4-3400 με ΗD6410D - το πιο φθηνό 1.4a (3D frame packing+HD Audio), ανετότατος ταινίες,
απενεργοποιημένα τα Mosquito Noise Reduction & Deblocking στο CCC για interlaced υλικό σε επίπεδα Vector Adaptive.

Mνήμες: 4GB DDR3@1600

Mobo mATX: Asrock A75M-HVS ή M-ITX:AsRock FM1 A75-ITX

Αμα παίξεις με MPC-HC & ΜadVR (MaxSettings) θα πρέπει να πας στους A8 x4 38xx με την 6550D
CPU: A8-3850(100W) ή A8-3800(65W)
Aν θες μπορεί να ανέβεις και λίγο σε μνημες: 4GB DDR3@1866.
 

simacom

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Εχω καλομαθει βλεπεις με τον ι7 κσι την 6950 στο κανονικο μου pc να βλεπω mkv με μεγαλα bitrate νερο με svp. Μαλλον θα περιμενω λιγο να μαζεψω λεφτα να φτιαξω κατι πιο δυνατό!

Απο i5 και πανω θα ειμαι καλα?και με μια πχ 6450?
 

lykman

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Μπερδεμένα τα πράγματα για το επόμενο "μεγάλο" Fusion APU... To ονομαζόμενο Trinity. Άλλο socket (FM2), αλλά συμβατό με το ήδη υπάρχον Α75 chipset...

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/32335-new-amd-trinity-apu-information-emerges/

TrinityA75.jpg

While we know that Trinity APUs will be crafted for AMD's FM2 socket, it seems that the current A75 chipset will be compatible with the next-gen offerings. AMD's also talking-up a 20 per cent performance increase, compared to its current Llano APUs. On the graphics front, there's also a claimed performance boost of up to 30 per cent.

What Trinity is also set to bring to the table, is support for RAM speeds up to DDR3-2,133MHz - at voltage levels ranging from 1.25V up to 1.5V.

Based on the chip manufacturer's Piledriver architecture, Trinity is said to serve-up third-gen Turbo Core technology, AMD Eyefinity, and DisplayPort 1.2 support.

Image Source: DonanimHaber

(τα bold δικά μου)
 

Portioli

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το ίδιο άρθρο που ανέβασε ο lykman από AnandTech:

Details on Trinity - AMD's Next Gen APU



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DonahimHaber has leaked a slide concerning AMD's next generation APU, called Trinity. The slide does not reveal any detailed specifications, it's merely an overview of Trinity. Lets begin with a table comparing Llano and Trinity:



Comparison of AMD's Higher-End APUs




|Llano| Trinity
Core | Husky |Piledriver
Core Count |Up to 4| Up to 4
RAM| Up to DDR3-1866| Up to DDR3-2133
GPU | AMD 6000 Series| AMD 7000 Series
Socket| FM1 |FM2


Those are the differences in a nutshell. Husky core is based on upgraded 10h microarchitecture (also known as AMD K10), the same microarchitecture that is used in Phenom II CPUs. As for Piledriver, AMD is referring to it as second generation Bulldozer core (see our Bulldozer review). Trinity will have up to four cores, just like Llano, which means up to two Piledriver modules (each Bulldozer/Piledriver module has two cores). In terms of speed, AMD is claiming up to 20% increase over Llano. Bulldozer's poor single-threaded performance might cause the performance upgrades to be limited to multithreaded tasks though, unless AMD can do magics with Piledriver (aka 2nd gen Bulldozer). RAM support is also up from DDR3-1866 to up to DDR-2133.

GPU department will also get an overhaul. We already reported that Trinity's GPU will be named as AMD 7000 Series, which suggests that it will be based on the same design as other 7000 Series GPUs (this might sound obvious, but Llano's GPU was named as 6000 Series, yet it was based on 5000 Series "Redwood" core). The leaked slide supports this since it mentions support for next generation DirectX 11, most likely DX 11.1. AMD will also compete with Intel's QuickSync by including Video Compression Engine (VCE) in Trinity. Performance increase will be around 30% compared to Llano's GPU according to AMD.

Trinity will continue to use the same chipsets as Llano. However, the socket will change to FM2, which will most likely be compatible with FM1. Another leaked slide shows that mobile Trinity's package is FS1r2, whereas Llano's is FS1. The APU after Trinity, called Kaveri, will use FS2 package. This suggests that FS1 and FS1r2, as well as FM1 and FM2, are very similar and hence backwards compatible. This has not been confirmed though.

Availability is unknown but if roadmaps are to believe, Trinity should make its first appearance in Q1'12, full availability being in Q2'12.




Πηγή : DonahimHaber
 

rider

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Τον εχει αγορασει κανεις ? Τιποτα νεοτερα , θετικα , αρνητικα ? Για τον Α8 ρωταω.
 

Portioli

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ASUS F1A75-V Pro vs. Gigabyte GA-A75-UD4H – Llano at ~$120


Power Consumption

Power consumption was tested on the system as a whole with a wall meter connected to the power supply, while in various configurations. This method allows us to compare the power management of the UEFI and the board to supply components with power under load, and includes typical PSU losses due to efficiency. These are the real world values that consumers may expect from a typical system (minus the monitor) using this motherboard.


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CPU Temperatures

With most users’ running boards on purely default BIOS settings, we are running at default settings for the CPU temperature tests. This is, in our outward view, an indication of how well (or how adventurous) the vendor has their BIOS configured on automatic settings. With a certain number of vendors not making CPU voltage, turbo voltage or LLC options configurable to the end user, which would directly affect power consumption and CPU temperatures at various usage levels, we find the test appropriate for the majority of cases. This does conflict somewhat with some vendors' methodology of providing a list of 'suggested' settings for reviewers to use. But unless those settings are being implemented automatically for the end user, all these settings do for us it attempt to skew the results, and thus provide an unbalanced 'out of the box' result list to the readers who will rely on those default settings to make a judgment.


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SATA Testing

We also use CrystalDiskMark for SATA port testing. This test probes the efficiency of the data delivery system between the chipset and the drive, or in the case of additional SATA ports provided by a third party controller, the efficiency between the controller, the chipset and the drive.


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DPC Latency



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Both ASUS and Gigabyte are well known for their large ranges of motherboards in all chipsets—ASUS tends to go from the standard to Pro, Evo, Deluxe, TUF and ROG, whereas Gigabyte usually from the UD2 to the UD5/7/9, both depending on the enthusiast level of the chipset. Both the A75-UD4H and F1A75-V Pro here are near the top end for A75 and Llano, being fully featured ATX boards, and only the mini-ITX A75 boards cost substantially more.






ASUS F1A75-V Pro

Overall, there is not a lot wrong with this ASUS board. The benchmarks on a whole perform relatively well with one exception, DPC Latency, but it falls within recommended levels as long as the AI Suite software is not running.

The ASUS uses all six SATA 6 Gbps from the FCH internally, as well as another from an ASMedia controller. Unfortunately, this other SATA 6 from the controller gets blocked by a full length GPU. In terms of layout, the second PCIe x16 is actually limited to x4, giving any dual-GPU CrossFireX users a bottleneck in certain scenarios.

The fan control software is some of the best we have seen, and the BIOS is top notch in terms of usability and features. This is all wrapped in a three year warranty, and the board is available for under $120.

Gigabyte GA-A75-UD4H

There are arguably more concerns with the Gigabyte board in our tests, initially resulting in memory issues with our kits of memory. With the Gigabyte board you do not get a graphical BIOS implementation, any serious fan control, or auto overclock options; it also has fewer SATA ports, but there is a Firewire port, a TPM header, and x8/x8 support for dual discrete GPU systems (despite this being an APU platform).

Over our whole range of graphics tests, the Gigabyte, on average, does not perform as well as the ASUS board, but on our CPU tests it does edge ahead in almost all areas, except the video transcoding test.

The Gigabyte board does sport their DualBIOS technology in case of BIOS corruption, and they had more SATA cables included in the media sample I was sent. As with the ASUS board, Gigabyte gives their product a three year warranty.

Conclusion

When talking about motherboards in this price range, there is usually very little to separate them in terms of hardware. One or the other may sport a single different controller, or use different implementations to get better results. Ultimately, each of the ASUS and Gigabyte boards, inter alia, has their pros and cons:



ASUS F1A75-V ProGigabyte GA-A75-UD4H
PCIe Lanesx16/x4x8/x8
Dual BIOSNoYes
Firewire HeaderNoYes
Better DPC Latency397170
Better OC ResultsNoYes
Auto CPU OC OptionsYesNo
Better Fan ControlsYesNo
Graphical BIOSYesNo
SATA 6 Gbps
6 + 1 (ASMedia)
5




With a lot of users wanting a lot of options, for $120 it seems you are not going to cover everything in the A75 market from the two largest motherboard manufacturers, so it is hard to give a nod either way. Personally, if it were between these two boards (users should note that A75 ATX boards from other manufacturers are available), if I were a single GPU gamer (or looking to CFX with the APU), or looking for a quiet system with enough HDDs, I would go for the ASUS board for its functionality. If I were a dual AMD discrete GPU gamer, an overclocker, or wanting to work with onboard audio, I would splash for the Gigabyte board.
 

lykman

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Απάντηση: Αmd Fusion APUs / Llano -> Νέα APU ανακοινώθηκαν

Νέα APUs ανακοίνωσε η AMD.

Τhe full line-up is as follows:

AMD A-Series Desktop APUs
A8-3870K Four CPU cores, 3.0 GHz CPU base (unlocked), 100W TDP, 400 Radeon cores, 600 MHz GPU base (unlocked), 4 MB L2 cache
A8-3820 Four CPU cores, 2.5 GHz CPU base (2.8 GHz Turbo Core), 65W TDP, 400 Radeon cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A6-3670K Four CPU cores, 2.7 GHz CPU base (unlocked), 100W TDP, 320 Radeon cores, 600 MHz GPU base (unlocked), 4 MB L2 cache
A6-3620 Four CPU cores, 2.2 GHz CPU base (2.5 GHz Turbo Core), 65W TDP, 320 Radeon cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A4-3420 Two CPU cores, 2.8 GHz CPU base, 65W TDP, 160 Radeon cores, 1 MB L2 cache

AMD A-Series Notebook APUs
A8-3550MX Four CPU cores, 2.0 GHz CPU base (2.7 GHz Turbo Core), 45W TDP, 400 Radeon Cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A8-3520M Four CPU cores, 1.6 GHz CPU base (2.5 GHz Turbo Core), 35W TDP, 400 Radeon Cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A6-3430MX Four CPU cores, 1.7 GHz CPU base (2.4 GHz Turbo Core), 45W TDP, 320 Radeon Cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A6-3420M Four CPU cores, 1.5 GHz CPU base (2.4 GHz Turbo Core), 35W TDP, 320 Radeon Cores, 4 MB L2 cache
A4-3330MX Two CPU cores, 2.2 GHz CPU base (2.6 GHz Turbo Core), 45W TDP, 240 Radeon Cores, 2 MB L2 cache
A4-3320M Two CPU cores, 2.0 GHz CPU base (2.6 GHz Turbo Core), 35W TDP, 240 Radeon Cores, 2 MB L2 cache
A4-3305M Two CPU cores, 1.9 GHz CPU base (2.5 GHz Turbo Core), 35W TDP, 160 Radeon Cores, 1 MB L2 cache
E2-3000M Two CPU cores, 1.8 GHz CPU base (2.4 GHz Turbo Core), 35W TDP, 160 Radeon Cores, 1 MB L2 Cache

Δεν μπόρεσα να βρω κάπου να υπάρχει η πλήρης γκάμα, και με τους παλιούς και με τους νέους, με όλα τους τα χαρακτηριστικά για εύκολη σύγκριση... τέσπα.

Από τα νέα desktop APUs βρίσκω σαν πιο ενδιαφέροντα αυτά με το TC και τις μεγάλες συχνότητες, που όμως κρατάνε το TDP των 65W και όχι των 100W... δλδ τον Α8-3820.
 

jpcupra

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με αυτα τα ματζαφλαρια θα μπορουμε να δουμε 3d ταινιες απο το pc, ή θα μας βγει η παναγια οπως με τους e-350 & ati 6310?
 

tmjuju

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Οι φθηνές πλακέτες με usb3 θα έλεγα ότι είναι από τις καλύτερες επιλογές για να χτίσει κάποιος μοντέρνο htpc. Έχουν πέσει και οι τιμές στις mini που κατά περιόδους οι μόνες που βρίσκονταν στην αγορά ήταν της τάξης των ~130 ευρώ.